Cannot access my router

[Nighthawk4]

I am trying to change from Dialup to ADSL today.

I have two PCs, connected via a hub. One is XP Pro and the other is Linux FC3. These can talk to each other and each can dialup to the Internet - via a separate modem on each.

I have added a Netgear DG834 Router and attached that to the existing Hub. The connection is active on the Hub.

The ADSL connection is not live yet - waiting for BT to convert my line - but I can access the Setup page on the ADSL Router with Firefox on the XP machine. However, I cannot do so using Firefox on the Linux machine - it says 'connection refused'.

I have added the ADSL Router IP address to the Firewall on both machines - using ZoneAlarm on the XP box and Firestarter on the Linux one.

Can anyone help with why the Linux box will not let me configure the ADSL Router please? I do not want to have to start up the XP box every time I need to do that - the whole idea is to change over to Linux, instead of Windows.

Does this imply that - once my ADSL line is setup - I will need to run the Windows box every time I switch off the ADSL Router? :eek:

Ideas please? :confused:

[Gordini]

Can you ping the router from fedora?

[Nighthawk4]

Can you ping the router from fedora?


It would appear not :(

So I assume that means the Firewall is to blame?

My understanding of Firewalls is VERY limited - which I why I rely on Firestarter instead of all this iptables business - which I cannot follow.

Help please?

[Gordini]

If you open up firestarter you can disable it by using the "Stop Firewall" button.

Try this and then try your ping......It could be that firestarter has nothing to do with it and your networking is to blame??

Give it a go maybe?

[Nighthawk4]

If you open up firestarter you can disable it by using the "Stop Firewall" button.

Try this and then try your ping......It could be that firestarter has nothing to do with it and your networking is to blame??

Give it a go maybe?

Good idea. I stopped the Firewall and I still cannot ping the Router.

Also, I just tried the BT test again - on the XP box - and I think the line is now enabled. Does this mean it is safe to go through the Dialup-ADSL conversion with my ISP, or will I be unable to connect from the Linux box once I do? :eek:

[w5set]

for last question--no you shouldn't have to reset anything in the dsl modem after turning it off and then back on--settings should be stored in it ok, and come back up good.
other Firefox problems---are you using dhcp for the linux box to get it's IP?
check the Linux network setup to see if it has the same subnet mask as the XP computer and the same IP range--etc-- default gateway IP is the router adresss.

[Nighthawk4]

My existing ISP connection (the Dialup one) uses a fixed IP address - but the new ADSL will not.

IIRC, I changed from Fixed to auto DHCP this morning on the XP box. However, when I tried that on the Linux box, I could not DHCP anything - even on the Dialup.

Perhaps I have to change to auto DHCP and go for it - the Dialup will not work any more anyway once I convert to ADSL, so maybe that will not matter.

I am not keen on the 'leap in the dark' method, but maybe I have to.

Does that make any sense?

[Gordini]

Nighthawk I think you need to do one thing at a time here......get your network working and you only use the router as a gateway to the web. Get both boxes talking to the router first...forget about connecting to the web for a minute.

I have a Netgear router too. You can set it up very easily through the menus to act as a DHCP server. There will be a starting range of IP addresses. Default is 192.168.1.1 So your first host may well be 192.168.1.2 Your subnet should then be 255.255.255.0 and your gateway is 192.168.1.1

You can set it all up manually even if the router is supporting DHCP I have actually done this with fedora.

It sounds like you have a mix of addresses......if you havnt changed the defaults they should be 192.168.1.x on each box and have a standard class C subnet of 255.255.255.0

You can set this all up in Linux through ifconfig or by using the menu in .... Applications--> System Settings ---> Network

Hope this helps a little...one step at a time.

:)

[w5set]

your router is setup to give out IP's to your XP and Linux boxes isn't it?
and as far as "in the dark"----If the xp computer can access the router--it will probably go fine on the internet--GO FOR IT.
Use a filter on the dsl line to the modems and they will probably still work too (backup possibilities there!)
After getting online (adsl) work out the remaining problems with the Linux box and router--but first just appreciate the SPEED for a while--get that warm fuzzy "I DID IT" feeling--surf away for a bit--then come back and work on the Linux to router bit.
ADSL speeds are fun n games after being on dialup!---enjoy.....

[Nighthawk4]

Yay - I have Broadband :)

I went for it as you both suggested.

I changed the default IP address, etc. in the Linux box, after doing an 'ipconfig /all' on the XP box. The details were in the new subnet - given out by the Router. Now they are in the same subnet on the Linux box as well.

Then, I went for the conversion. It works!!!

Now I need to get the Firewall working again, plus find out if Neverwinter Nights still connects.

Should I use Firestarter or the Firewall in the Router or both? How do I set those up please - in very simple terms please. Iptables and NATs just frighten me away :rolleyes:

Thanks to both for your help.

[w5set]

Glad it works.
Use the firewall in the router and one each computer--couldn't hurt.
I use Firestarter--it turns off the iptables daemon in FC--but uses it's own apparently, and does a good job of firewalling.
By the way---how does surfing at a little higher speed feel??????
Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!
Adding: use the default settings for both router (on of course) and Firestarter--permissive for outgoing--NOTHING coming in--if you need the incoming "time" turned on--just click on the ip address blocked in the "events" and allow the "service" only--nothing else--just the service for which ever 'event" you need--easy setup with a GUI too.....

[Nighthawk4]

Thanks Guys - it looks fine.

I ran the Preferences Wizard for Firestarter again - most of it was still looking for ppp0 - so I removed that and pointed it at eth0. Now able to connect with the Firewall enabled.

It is so much faster. :)

[Nighthawk4]

I would just like to thank the people above who helped get me onto Broadband with my Linux box yesterday. It is so much faster than Dialup and I can now leave my XP box switched off again.

*Hugs his ADSL Router* :)

[w5set]

*Hugging your router*???-----whooooooooaaaa there..
That could be highly indicative of something--but I'm not sure what, I just blew my adsl modem a kiss when it came up and ran well..
Welcome to high speed surfing--and it sure makes updates so much easier and QUICKER!
Come to think of it--I just might hug my dsl modem too!!--hi-hi and it's been a year or more since I got adsl too.. Isn't modern science/technology wonderful?

[radu5er]

--hi-hi and it's been a year or more since I got adsl too.. Isn't modern science/technology wonderful?

:D Your heratage is showing old man..hi hi

73 es CUL

VK3BEB / WA4BEB

[w5set]

hi--hi
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on the air 3.835mhz at or about 12 midnite cst with a bunch there--drop by
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