Fedora18 Schedule & Feature List

[Kernellinux]

Originally Posted by deanej

So we're supposed to throw us more advanced users under the bus because some people are, quite frankly, too dumb to use a computer?

I didn't see any discussion of Mac users on this thread

I agree that efforts should be made to make Fedora into a desktop operating system anyone can use, but quite honestly my mother, who is browses the web and checks her email and calls me for anything else has been using Fedora for 6 months now, and I haven't had a single call...okay she called once to ask where the "Shut-Down" was becuase she could only find suspend, but other than that I would argue that Fedora IS ready for the average Windows user.

Since my "beta-test" with my mother I've replaced 5 Windows users with Fedora and the only complaint I've had is they can't watch Netflix.

Somewhere in here should be a thank you to the developers for all the hard work and the excellent product that we all use, but let's hope it doesn't get ruined with offline updates.

[Dutchy]

I'm also a bit sceptical about the offline update "feature".
It always annoys the hell out of me when I incidentally boot up Windows and it first wants to do updates.

I don't see the big advantage for Linux, I never noticed something got broken because it was in-use during an update.
What actually could be useful about it is the automatic snapshot part, but that seems to depend on btrfs.
Another way it could be useful is if it does the updates (or only the tricky ones) on shutdown in some kind of special environment somehow.

[glway]

I am getting confused here... Why would anyone want to put offline updates as a "feature"?!?! Honestly that's going to be a huge pain in the arse... I mean forget the average user-come one. And wtf do you do if you are running a server with fedora-that is going to be a nightmare everytime you want to upgrade something...

[DBelton]

If you think that's bad.. Just wait until you see "Initial Experience" they are wanting to replace Firstboot with

Basically, they are wanting to get you to re-enter several things you specified during the anaconda install like language, keyboard type, time zone, network settings and make it look more like Windows. They are even wanting a Gnome 3 "tour" at the end of the "Initial Experience"

Cripes.. What a crappy idea.

[glway]

Omfg noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DBelton]

Serious.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Featu...tialExperience

https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFiv...s/InitialSetup

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Desig...s/InitialSetup

[glway]

I'm struggling to figure out why are they trying to ruin the best linux distro out there... seriously....

[smr54]

People justifying their salary?

[DBelton]

Originally Posted by smr54

People justifying their salary?

Justifying it to whom? Mickey Mouse?

I can just imagine the dialog now...

We need what?

A guided tour, you know, just like Windows does. Since we are trying to copy Windows, we need a disk hungry, processor munching, totally useless application so we we can remain in the competition.

I thought we did that with Gnome 3 shell?

We did, but this is the icing on the cake. The coup de grâce. The whipped cream on the banana split. With this feature, we will be one more step closer to being a Windows clone!

Mmmmm.. I love banana splits.. Approved!

Edit:

Actually, this does say a lot about their redesign of Gnome for "ease of use" if they feel they now need a guided tour so that people can find their way around. Let me see. People have been using Gnome for what?? 12-13 years or so without needing any kind of guided tour until they did their redesign of the desktop.

[glway]

^^I absolutely agree. Tbh I hated gnome 3 when i first saw it but a couple of days into it it felt rather nice. But adding all that microsoft style bullcrap is a pure nightmare. I've loved fedora for as long as I can remember but the whole update and introduction and shiny gizmos that no one will give a crap about... come on people find your senses!!!!

[nonamedotc]

Originally Posted by DBelton

Serious.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Featu...tialExperience

https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFiv...s/InitialSetup

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Desig...s/InitialSetup

This is inane and this is from a GNOME 3 user!

Who is giving them these ideas?!?!

[hadrons123]

Originally Posted by DBelton

Serious.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Featu...tialExperience

https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFiv...s/InitialSetup

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Desig...s/InitialSetup

I think, what they are trying to do is better than current firstboot.

[DBelton]

Possibly.. But, if they wish to do a better firstboot, then rewrite firstboot. Don't throw a new, Gnome only application in there.

So how is this going to work? You install, then reboot. Firstboot starts before GDM/Gnome, so how is it going to know if this new "Initial Experience" is going to be run or not? Or how will the new Initial Experience know if you have already run firstboot or not?

These are two totally different applications, and run at two different times in the boot process.

I have a feeling that either some people will get both firstboot and the initial experience run, or some people won't get either one.

If I have a choice, I would prefer the current firstboot, since it is quick to get through, about the only thing I set up is a user. Just abut all of the other stuff they are talking about it doing is done during the install anyway (except for the "window-ish guided tour for dummies"). Last time I checked, the locale, keyboard, and time zone set up was done in the install. Why re-invent the wheel?

[Dutchy]

Some more "improvedness" that F18 will feature (at least I think it will get Gnome Shell 3.6?): Nautilus revamp

It does look better and the search function is quite nice, but:
-no more new file
-no more tree style sidebar
-no more ... (whole bunch of stuff that I normally do not use but others probably do and will miss).

I think this will upset a lot of people again and I will probably end up with creating some script to create a new empty file.
Apparently you need to have at least one template file in order to create an empty one from the context menu (looks like this has been the case for some time now).

It is currently testable in Rawhide and Ubuntu 12.10 alpha 2 (after some updates).

[DBelton]

Their reasoning for completely removing tree view??

"It is the list view after all. Tree models don't work well on touch and it isn't consistent with the file chooser."

However, in past versions, the user could select to use tree view or not. Let the $^%$&# touch screen users select not to use it, and leave it in for others that do want it.