Username and password

Charolles · #1 25th July 2007, 05:26 PM

New to Linux and Fedora, I wanted a change from the arrogance of Microsoft.

However, the setup sequence after the Welcome page wanted a username and password. OK to advise me, but I rejected the advice as unnecessary and waste of time for me.

Nowhere did it say this is a requirement.

Then I find I cannot access Fedora because I do not have the above, nor can I do anything about it - Catch 22.

Have I missed something simple, or is the Fedora project as arrogant as Microsoft?

lazlow · #2 25th July 2007, 05:33 PM

Security is one of the basic requirements of Linux. I doubt anybody ever even considered that anybody would just ignore setting up a user name and password. At a minimum you should set up a root account and one user account. I do not think that fedora will let you set up at all without setting up a root account. If you run around doing daily tasks in root you are bypassing a great deal of Linux's security.

***GallComp*** · #3 25th July 2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Charolles

Have I missed something simple, ...

Yes you did, you should have took the time to know how Linux works before thinking in installing it. Ignoring settings that you thought wherent neccesary left you with a broken installation.

Linux (dont blame Fedora, this is a general Linux issue) is not Windows, and it takes security more seriously. Usernames and passwords are required like it or not, and you just cant judge them unnecessary, there is a big difference betwen arrogant and secure...

Next time do your homework first and learn about the system before ranting about Linux....

bbfuller · #4 25th July 2007, 05:57 PM

Hello Charolles

As lazlow said, the security of linux is based in no small part in you rarely being logged in as root (or administrator in windows terms).

I'm surprised if you got all the way through the install process if you didn't at least give a root password at some time.

If you did then you will be able to go on to create ordinary users at any time. If you didn't then you will probably need to reinstall - and put it down to part of the learning process.

The linux way is not arrogant, it's what we sign up for when we decide to become linux users. Enhanced security and freedom from worries over viruses make a few passwords a small price to pay.

Incidentally, if you investigate Windows Vista you will see that they are at last catching up with that idea and taking security seriously as they have created a proper administrator and user framework, even if they still leave it as an option if you use it.

If you have got a root password, post back and someone will help you creating an ordinary user or two if necessary.

Charolles · #5 25th July 2007, 06:31 PM

Some of you displayed the very arrogance that bothers me about any software. Thanks in part, though to bbfuller who took a more balanced and helpful view.

pete_1967 · #6 25th July 2007, 06:37 PM

So when someone points out that you should actually learn the stuff you're doing, or at least read carefully the instructions before doing anything, and also explain you why, they are arrogant?

Yet you refuse to enter your username and password because you think it's just unnecessary and waste of time and that's not arrogancy?

JN4OldSchool · #7 25th July 2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Charolles

Some of you displayed the very arrogance that bothers me about any software. Thanks in part, though to bbfuller who took a more balanced and helpful view.

If what you have read so far bothers you then you will have serious problems. We all learned Linux at some point and we all have eaten crow and humble pie. Most still have a snack now and then, I sure do. I didnt hear anyone call you stupid? Now, if you are done crying, why dont you try logging in as "user name: root" then "user password: whatever password you HAD to set to install" This will get you in. First thing you do is go under users in the menu and create you a user account. Log root off, you dont need to shutdown or restart, then log your user in. This is the first of many hurdles you will face learning Linux. Take each problem a step at a time, do your reading and when all else fails ask one of us. You may think we are arrogant or leet or whatever, but the truth is these people are taking THEIR time to help YOU. Dont forget to thank them.