11 RC says can't install to bootable disk - Page 2

leigh123linux · #16 29th April 2009, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RahulSundaram

Hi,

I think there is some confusion over the switch to Ext4. FAQ at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ext4_in_Fedora_11

Hi Rahul,

Will there be a Ext3 livecd as well as I'm not going to use Ext4 till it matures more and grub support is added for it .

Leigh

RahulSundaram · #17 29th April 2009, 09:33 AM

Hi

No plans for a alternative set of Live CD's. If you want to select packages during installation or pick a non-default filesystem, use the regular installation images rather than the live cd.

Bogart · #18 1st May 2009, 06:11 PM

Sorry, but this is a BUG, plain and simple. There is no need for alternate CDs, all that's needed is the bug fixed for final. Otherwise you simply can't install the live CD if you have one partition free.

And what the hell does it mean that the Live-CD is formatted as ext4, anyway? Rubbish.

So Fedora users, please file this bug as critical, since it prevents a normal install into one partition, no matter what filesystem you choose (and of course, it should allow you to choose ext3 if you want!).

RahulSundaram · #19 1st May 2009, 06:35 PM

Hi,

I wasn't replying to the original post but to a specific question about live cd's. Live CD's in all distributions do not allow selecting packages or choosing an alternative filesystem because they essentially dump the entire preformed image to the hard disk. This is just how things work. It is not rubbish at all. Take a moment to understand how things work before jumping at me.

For the actual problem, you need to verify and report it in http://bugzilla.redhat.com

leigh123linux · #20 1st May 2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogart

Sorry, but this is a BUG, plain and simple. There is no need for alternate CDs, all that's needed is the bug fixed for final. Otherwise you simply can't install the live CD if you have one partition free.

And what the hell does it mean that the Live-CD is formatted as ext4, anyway? Rubbish.

So Fedora users, please file this bug as critical, since it prevents a normal install into one partition, no matter what filesystem you choose (and of course, it should allow you to choose ext3 if you want!).

If you have a fast internet connection you could try the netinstall media as it allows you to choose filesystem type and packages for install.

Bogart · #21 1st May 2009, 07:06 PM

Rahul, sorry if I expressed myself incorrectly. I was just reading this thread and wanted to make clear that this IS a bug. A critical one. And things being said in the thread to justify it are excuses (and I was not referring to you especially).

The problem here has nothing to do with selecting packages either. It's simply about installing into one single partition. If you want to understand the problem, please get a live CD and try to install it into a single partition (/dev/sda2, etc...) You will see that it's not possible. No matter what filesytem you choose.

Not that it matters much here, but I doubt your understanding of how the LiveCD works is correct. Of course you can dump the contents into ANY filesystem supported by the kernel/installer. It has nothing to do with the filesystem used in the LiveCD itself (which I very much doubt it uses ext4 anyway, it might use SquashFS or whatever else, which is irrelevant in any case).

I'm not a Fedora user and I won't be able to follow this bug report, that's why I asked the Fedora users here to file themselves a report about it.

And again, sorry if i sounded rude to you. It wasn't my intention.

Bogart · #22 9th June 2009, 05:39 PM

Heh, I just tested the final release and it's also impossible to install it into one partition, be it ext3 or ext4. So it seems nobody cared to report it, or nobody cared to fix it.

Oh well...

thecdn · #23 9th June 2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogart

Heh, I just tested the final release and it's also impossible to install it into one partition, be it ext3 or ext4. So it seems nobody cared to report it, or nobody cared to fix it.

So after downloading it this morning I guess there is no need for me to waste my time burning the cd and trying to install it at home? That's great for a final version.

Thanks for the heads up.....

GPIA7R · #24 9th June 2009, 06:05 PM

Noticed this as well. Looks like I have to wait until I get home to just get the full 4gb version. Does it install properly, as opposed to the Live version?

Bogart · #25 9th June 2009, 06:24 PM

Quite sad, yes. But it's Fedora after all...

I did file a bug report this time:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504831

scottro · #26 9th June 2009, 10:31 PM

Well, now that it's released and in 10 minutes I've seen 3-4 threads about it, the best idea would probably be post a big notice near the Get Fedora link.

Whether it's legitimately a bug or not, the bottom line is that it happens in Fedora, and not in most LiveCDs, so that's an issue.

Bogart · #27 9th June 2009, 10:44 PM

Exactly. They should warn people beforehand: "Live CD will ONLY work if you have TWO SEPARATE PARTITIONS and if you want to use EXT4 as your filesystem. Otherwise use the DVD!".

Of course, they closed the bug saying: use the DVD.

Not that I expected something else, of course.

scottro · #28 10th June 2009, 12:05 AM

Well, it's the kind of thing that gets overlooked--it shouldn't of course, but sometimes, when you're so used to something, you don't realize how it will affect people.

I'll put up a sticky shortly, or better yet, request one of the admins to do an announcement. (I don't know if we CM's can do announcements.)