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Old 15th November 2004, 04:01 AM
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first thoughts

I have been using gentoo on and off for a couple years, but I could no longer be bothered with the consistant updating that takes hours to compile. I am going to list what problems I have had with fedora so far, not so much of a criticism, but in the hope that I just dont know the answers to the problems I am having and that someone on here will.

-for one thing, installation instructions for the internet based install was non existant. I was able to figure it out for the mostpart, but then I was using the main fedora server to download the packages, and the server was really slow. I cancelled the install and tried to boot into my windows partition to find a decent mirror. Since the bootloader was grub from my gentoo install I could not get into windows, and was unable to find my windows disk. I finally had to insert the gentoo cd and use lynx to go to the fedora website to find a mirror. So for one thing, it might be a good idea to have a commandline livecd type of system to make the situation above easier to perform. Some kind of howto for that cd would be helpful also.

-I was hoping to install fc 3 on a reiserfs partition, but it appears that fedora only supports ext2/3.

-I believe that the install would be improved by having the stage 2 image for graphical install on the cd instead of also downloading it for install.

-the installation was pretty decent, clean and easy to use. When I booted my completed install, it let me into my desktop with a root login the first time, and thereafter wouldnt allow it. I can understand this in a way, and was able to do things from the menu, but it was just a bit inconvenient having to type su password every time I wanted to have access to a system config.

-Firefox would not let me install plugins and extensions within their interface, forcing me to have to manually download and install a plugin like macromedia flash etc.

-My biggest problem...maybe someone has an answer. In gentoo you type a command for a program you want to install or remove...such as emerge azureus. Portage then downloads and installs it, and all packages that it relys on. When I wanted to add a program in fc3, I went to the program installlation and removal interface, and it is pretty, and seems quite simple to use, but has a very limited number of options on it. I couldnt find java, couldnt find flashplayer, I couldnt find azureus, and one of my favorite media players is vlc, which wasnt there either, although I am going to try more of the others first also.

-My cd writer/dvd player would not mount cleanly, it said the device was mounted and busy, but I couldnt even read the data on the dvd.

It is pretty, and clean looking, quite unified, nice colours, and seems simple and fast to update, and I look forward to working with it a bit more and becoming more dependant on linux instead of windows, if anyone can address my above issues I would appreciate it, I think that the above mentioned items are important. Thanks everyone.
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Old 15th November 2004, 04:16 AM
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I haven't sussed the reiserFS thing out yet, I know, it annoyed me at first!

The root login thing is either a SELinux thing (disable it in System-Security level!) or a GDM thing, check that gdm-setup doesn't have 'disable root logins' enabled.

First of all your answer to the emerge replacement:

yum
yum update
yum install [packagename]
yum remove [pckagename]
yum search [packagename]

you'll want to find some better mirrors for yum, they're as slow as you described your experience with the installer!

To get your DVD working:

You need to use the 'Users and Groups' screen in the 'System Settings' menu. Double click on your username and a new window will open. Click on the 'Groups' tab, scroll down a little until you see 'disk', make sure there is a tick in the box for 'disk. Click OK, exit the other screen and log out and then back in.
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Old 15th November 2004, 04:28 AM
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As for the yum update you may wanna be careful about repositories right now, as there are not many readily available yum.conf files. Wait a little bit and huge repositories will open for FC3, and as soon as they do yum will be your best friend (a lot like emerge, but doesn't have to compile)
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Old 15th November 2004, 04:31 AM
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Hi Daizy, thanks for the reply. I will try the selinux solution you mentioned. As for the dvd not reading, it is reading now, but I cant seem to get it to play. I will give yum a try for sure though, sounds similar to portage. Thanks!

Oh btw, I know it flies in the face of Red Hat, but I use kde exclusively on my system, although some gtk programs inevitably end up on here
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Old 15th November 2004, 04:40 AM
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http://fedoranews.org/jorge/howto/howto03.shtml

Umm...I think this is how you would use reiserfs in your install...for daizy and others who are interested, although I would still have to try it out...and I think I will
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Old 16th November 2004, 07:30 PM
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Great reiserfs link, great reiserfs HOW-TO, if only they were all so direct!
Of course I had already installed my fc3 on ext3, is there a way to convert from ext3 to reiserfs? Or some sort of upgrade with a minimal reinstall? Thx again for the link!
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http://fedoranews.org/jorge/howto/howto03.shtml
Umm...I think this is how you would use reiserfs in your install...for daizy and others who are interested, although I would still have to try it out...and I think I will
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-Firefox would not let me install plugins and extensions within their interface, forcing me to have to manually download and install a plugin like macromedia flash etc.
Firefox has a setting to enable "installing from web" look in options for the setting.
I have found that the permissions are for root only if install while root. Change the permissions for firefox and your plugins will load.

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-the installation was pretty decent, clean and easy to use. When I booted my completed install, it let me into my desktop with a root login the first time, and thereafter wouldnt allow it. I can understand this in a way, and was able to do things from the menu, but it was just a bit inconvenient having to type su password every time I wanted to have access to a system config.
during the install you should have been given opportunity to create a user, you should do this an d use that user for your daily tasks...root permissions are what make the OS safe from malicious code or other users on the same network
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